Politics

[Glacier]

Well, that was about as close as it gets.

Something is fishy about the polls... the fact that all swing states are showing within 1 point is statistically improbable. Like 1 in a million.

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Read the full article here. https://www.natesilver.net/p/theres-mor ... wing-state

[SouthSardiswx]

Something is fishy about the polls... the fact that all swing states are showing within 1 point is statistically improbable. Like 1 in a million.

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Read the full article here. https://www.natesilver.net/p/theres-mor ... wing-state

The world is saved Glace insane results l'm abit stunned.

[Rubus_Leucodermis]

The world is saved Glace insane results l'm abit stunned.

I’m glad I live in Canada.

[Roberts Creeker]

I’m glad I live in Canada.

Isn't that true!

Unbelievable. I've been reading Heather Cox Ricardson on f/b she's a US historian and writes really well and I liked that she has a different view on what was going on as compared to the sensational news. Here's her post on what she think happened: https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson. She also has a podcast if that's more your style: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/podcast

[SouthSardiswx]

Isn't that true!

Unbelievable. I've been reading Heather Cox Ricardson on f/b she's a US historian and writes really well and I liked that she has a different view on what was going on as compared to the sensational news. Here's her post on what she think happened: https://www.facebook.com/heathercoxrichardson. She also has a podcast if that's more your style: https://heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/podcast

Chuck Holton is one l follow Ms. Tornadocreeks he has a You Tube channel he has very good insight on this crazy world at the moment.

[Bonovox]

I’m glad I live in Canada.

Me too. Haven’t visited the US since 2019. That won’t be changing anytime soon.

[Glacier]

Trump lost support among whites, but saw massive support increases among Hispanics and Muslims who hate Kamala Harris' appeasement to the far left types who want chaos. 70% of Californians voted to get tougher on repeat criminals to deal with their theft problem. Harris refused to say if that was a good idea. Voters, especially legal immigrants don't like Harris letting in millions of illegal immigrants who get to jump ahead of the line by those waiting years to legally immigrate. And immigrants don't like the trans stuff at all.

Harris tried to keep the antisemites happy by picking tampon Tim over Josh Shapiro as the VIP pick, and that probably cost her at least Pennsylvania.

this and more gaffs expain why she lost to a guy who posts cringe things like "I hate taylor swift."

[PortKells]

"your body my choice" is trending on twitter/X. Publicans coming out of the woodwork to say yeah, Project 2025 is the plan. Should be fun for right wingers, they've got the entire government to run rampage over everyone.

[PortKells]

Trump lost support among whites, but saw massive support increases among Hispanics and Muslims who hate Kamala Harris' appeasement to the far left types who want chaos. 70% of Californians voted to get tougher on repeat criminals to deal with their theft problem. Harris refused to say if that was a good idea. Voters, especially legal immigrants don't like Harris letting in millions of illegal immigrants who get to jump ahead of the line by those waiting years to legally immigrate. And immigrants don't like the trans stuff at all.

Harris tried to keep the antisemites happy by picking tampon Tim over Josh Shapiro as the VIP pick, and that probably cost her at least Pennsylvania.

this and more gaffs expain why she lost to a guy who posts cringe things like "I hate taylor swift."

The democrats aren't even left wing. They are a centre/right party that tries to steal votes from the Republicans by sidling up to people like Dick Cheney. If they were a left wing party then Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been squashed multiple times. I agree with some of your points but lets not be ridiculous and say the democrats are anywhere close to left wing. It's more like hispanics and muslims and Gen Zers are way further right then they were, and the idea that Trump is going to bring down grocery prices and shut down migration is the message they wanted.

I really wish people were aware of things like the fact that Trump shut down the strictest border bill in recent memory, one sponsored by Biden and Kamala. That he can just survive things like that and still effectively campaign about immigration is mind boggling to me.

Biden was a solid president and he/she was punished for governing during a global inflationary period. That's how politics goes but that's how I see it.

[Glacier]

The democrats aren't even left wing. They are a centre/right party that tries to steal votes from the Republicans by sidling up to people like Dick Cheney. If they were a left wing party then Bernie Sanders wouldn't have been squashed multiple times. I agree with some of your points but lets not be ridiculous and say the democrats are anywhere close to left wing. It's more like hispanics and muslims and Gen Zers are way further right then they were, and the idea that Trump is going to bring down grocery prices and shut down migration is the message they wanted.

I really wish people were aware of things like the fact that Trump shut down the strictest border bill in recent memory, one sponsored by Biden and Kamala. That he can just survive things like that and still effectively campaign about immigration is mind boggling to me.

Biden was a solid president and he/she was punished for governing during a global inflationary period. That's how politics goes but that's how I see it.

Left and right are confusing terms sometimes. Certainly the Democrats try to be right-wing in many ways. As the the popular left wing commentator Cenk Uygur says, "the Democrats need to shift left if they want to win. There's already a right-wing party, but no one is appealing to the left, which is why 15 million people stayed home."


Most voters are not that ideological with confusing and hard to define political beliefs. Joe Rogan who was a Bernie Bro endorsed Trump this time for example. And Liz and Dick Cheney were considered very conservative, much more to the right of Trump too, and they endorsed Harris. I'm not sure, but I think this might have hurt Harris at the polls because there are a lot of people who hate the neo cons more than they hate Trump. Maybe it helped bring in some Republicans who were pro Iraq invasion, but it may have pushed out just as many Democrats.

People have many different and complex reasons for voting, and it's hard to nail down why people vote for who they do. Lots of it is about feelings. They feel like the economy will be better under Trump. Feelings are not facts though. A lot of people like the tariffs, which from my economics training, are always bad thing (economists who aren't Marxist generally agree that tariffs are basically always bad).

Immigration is a huge one for Republicans. Ironically enough, they actually don't want to solve the illegals coming across the border because this would remove the wedge issue (it's the same reason Trudeau hasn't removed a single gun in 4 years after making them illegal). As soon as you solve a wedge issue that most voters agree with you on, you no longer have the issue you can throw in the face of your opponents.

BTW, in Belgium, the left is totally against illegal immigration. This means there's no far-right in Belgium to speak of. If The Democrats would be more forceful about immigration such that 70% of the population didn't think they're on the wrong side, Harris would have likely easily won. Trudeau is also toast next year because he's seen as soft on people breaking the law and jumping the queue to get in.

EDIT: Here is Bernie Sanders' response. He could have beaten Trump if the party wouldn't have rigged the primary against him.

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[PortKells]

Left and right are confusing terms sometimes. Certainly the Democrats try to be right-wing in many ways. As the the popular left wing commentator Cenk Uygur says, "the Democrats need to shift left if they want to win. There's already a right-wing party, but no one is appealing to the left, which is why 15 million people stayed home."


Most voters are not that ideological with confusing and hard to define political beliefs. Joe Rogan who was a Bernie Bro endorsed Trump this time for example. And Liz and Dick Cheney were considered very conservative, much more to the right of Trump too, and they endorsed Harris. I'm not sure, but I think this might have hurt Harris at the polls because there are a lot of people who hate the neo cons more than they hate Trump. Maybe it helped bring in some Republicans who were pro Iraq invasion, but it may have pushed out just as many Democrats.

People have many different and complex reasons for voting, and it's hard to nail down why people vote for who they do. Lots of it is about feelings. They feel like the economy will be better under Trump. Feelings are not facts though. A lot of people like the tariffs, which from my economics training, are always bad thing (economists who aren't Marxist generally agree that tariffs are basically always bad).

Immigration is a huge one for Republicans. Ironically enough, they actually don't want to solve the illegals coming across the border because this would remove the wedge issue (it's the same reason Trudeau hasn't removed a single gun in 4 years after making them illegal). As soon as you solve a wedge issue that most voters agree with you on, you no longer have the issue you can throw in the face of your opponents.

BTW, in Belgium, the left is totally against illegal immigration. This means there's no far-right in Belgium to speak of. If The Democrats would be more forceful about immigration such that 70% of the population didn't think they're on the wrong side, Harris would have likely easily won. Trudeau is also toast next year because he's seen as soft on people breaking the law and jumping the queue to get in.

EDIT: Here is Bernie Sanders' response. He could have beaten Trump if the party wouldn't have rigged the primary against him.

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I agree with you so much that what is left and what is right is getting more confusing by the day. Remember when being tough on Russia was what won Reagan the biggest landslide in recent memory (way bigger than this one)? Now, it's flipped and the right seems to want to let Ukraine fall to them. Of course, Russia is not communist anymore so there's that, but even back to the Obama years I don't recall republicans wanting to ease up on Putin, quite the opposite. Something about Trump that if he says we need to do this thing that's completely against everything they've ever believed in, and his supporters fall in line immediately.

Of course, there's the issues that Gen Z are facing, and they feel that Trump will fix it for them...or at least that he is a protest vote against the tsunami of anti-male sentiment that's increased greatly since Me Too. That is a complicated issue but I don't see this particular issue going anywhere good. It seems that young men are embracing the Andrew Tates of the world and that to me is one of the scariest things. This guy is a sex trafficker and he's their hero.

[Glacier]

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[PortKells]

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"Men" in women's sports is such a distraction to the actual and serious issues facing humanity. Wealth gap, climate change, housing crisis', on and on. I am blown away that anybody has even a spare moment to think about this if we are as freaked out about inflation as we claim. You know, I don't really tow the line on transgenderism as a lefty, I'll admit it's gone off the rails and too far. But this is like .0001% of the problems we have. And by the way, as someone working in a fairly liberal public school, the panic about transgenderism in schools is honetly fabricated and total propaganda. Nobody is pushing this, most teachers are just trying to navigate it and treat people with respect.

As far as cenorship, if the new right wing is our champion for free speech, we are finished. I have seen countless examples of censorship, including Elon's little X pet project. Try typing cis-gendered into X. Book burnings happening in socially conservative areas that want to remove any mention of homosexuality. This isn't necessarily a defense of the modern left, I think it is cooked too. I'm just pointing out that any moral high ground claimed by the right is based on complete and total air; there is no substance. Let's not also overlook Trump's threats towards media for daring to call him on his lies.

Trump's no war stance is the same stance that the USA took in the late 1930's. Amazing that here on Rememrance Day, we are leaning into forgetting how that all turned out. Rather than sending some old weapons to Ukraine they are now going to let it burn, emboldening an expansionist Russia that's hungry for more. In Israel, well I'm not seeing much anti war stance there on Trump's part, not that the Dems can really claim that either.

I'm not seeing it when it comes to the moral arguments for this victory. This is an attempted repudiation of the establishment, a desperate plea for something, anything to change the economic fortunes of the working class. Bernie put it best. But Trump is as establishment as they come. His tax bill was a complete abomination for the working class. He shut down the border bill. He added to the debt. He failed to provide better health care. He's not a saviour, he is a con man and a robber baron and he's already proven that.

[Glacier]

"Men" in women's sports is such a distraction to the actual and serious issues facing humanity.

I agree. BUT, when you divide voters into 4 quadrants:
1) socially liberal, fiscally liberal/left
2 socially conservative, fiscally liberal/left
3) socially conservative, fiscally conservative/right
4) socially liberal, fiscally conservative/right

The largest group is the socially conservative, fiscally liberal camp. Politicians traditionally don't campaign there, but Trump did.

I'm not a fan of this camp, and I hear today that Trump wants pricr controls in addition to tarrifs, which is right out of the NDP playbook, and I strongly disagree.

You are right, bigger issues, and even bad policies, but this person was explaining how he won.

[PortKells]

I agree. BUT, when you divide voters into 4 quadrants:
1) socially liberal, fiscally liberal/left
2 socially conservative, fiscally liberal/left
3) socially conservative, fiscally conservative/right
4) socially liberal, fiscally conservative/right

The largest group is the socially conservative, fiscally liberal camp. Politicians traditionally don't campaign there, but Trump did.

I'm not a fan of this camp, and I hear today that Trump wants pricr controls in addition to tarrifs, which is right out of the NDP playbook, and I strongly disagree.

You are right, bigger issues, and even bad policies, but this person was explaining how he won.

I do appreciate your neutrality on this topic. The hyper partisanship mode we are stuck in has just made it difficult to really discuss things objectively. Dissecting this election is a fascinating topic! I hate how it turned out but it was pretty interesting, objectively speaking.

An aside; As an educator, I find it baffling Trump is talking about firing teachers he doesn't like. Does he have any grasp on how dire things are down there already for teachers? You hang on to who you have for dear life, very few are clamouring to get into a $30,000/yr career as it is, and now he's trying to shove christianity down their throats (illegally I may add). This won't end well.