Climate Change Discussion

[wetcoast91]

You need help.

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/tempe ... l%20Nelson.

Global temperatures in 2024 were 2.30 degrees Fahrenheit (1.28 degrees Celsius) above the agency’s 20th-century baseline (1951-1980), which tops the record set in 2023. The new record comes after 15 consecutive months (June 2023 through August 2024) of monthly temperature records — an unprecedented heat streak.

[Storm]

https://www.nasa.gov/news-release/tempe ... l%20Nelson.

I am totally with you. Science is Science period.

[Mattman]

You need help.

Someone with Nito’s education should not be ignorant. “Denier” is an equivocation to Holocaust denialism. That’s disgusting. He should know better. I’m not assigning intent. I am at worst assigning willful ignorance and living in a coastal elitist bubble. Secondly, Nito, others, and hopefully not you create straw men to homogenize “deniers” as hick yokels. That shows no desire for discussion. I haven’t seen you, Nito, nor others directly address the following without trying to divert the discussion or throwing in subtle ad hominem barbs:

-what are the cost-benefit analyses of a carbon tax, net zero, carbon credits, EV mandates, vehicle emission mandates? Not modelled benefits, but quantifiable, tangible benefits vs cost.

-Most of the alarmism is of the left, who supposedly care so much for the poor. A lasting key to reducing poverty is abundant reliable energy, which makes energy, transportation, and day-to-day life cheaper. So-called renewables are anything but, as Europe has discovered. What’s the alarmist view on the Cobalt mines for the electrification of everything? Of the limited life of solar panels and wind turbines? What’s your solution for abundant, reliable energy to lift people out of poverty instead of punitive measures that create poverty?

-This is the heart of what us “denialists” what answers from1. Tease out anthropogenic causes from natural variability; 2.Is the delta in climate catastrophic compared to prior climate change? 3. It is arrogance to think that climate is static—that there’s a fixed global temperature that should be static and that the “experts” know what it is—and that punitive measures can change global temperatures.

Besides the gross language of “denier”, the anti-human underbelly is what has me the most hot under the collar. How is Mark Holland’s comment not anti-human? You preferred to give a flippant, ad hominem response instead of a real response. Why not show me otherwise instead of bolstering what I increasingly think of AGW alarmists?

[SouthSardiswx]

Someone with Nito’s education should not be ignorant. “Denier” is an equivocation to Holocaust denialism. That’s disgusting. He should know better. I’m not assigning intent. I am at worst assigning willful ignorance and living in a coastal elitist bubble. Secondly, Nito, others, and hopefully not you create straw men to homogenize “deniers” as hick yokels. That shows no desire for discussion. I haven’t seen you, Nito, nor others directly address the following without trying to divert the discussion or throwing in subtle ad hominem barbs:

-what are the cost-benefit analyses of a carbon tax, net zero, carbon credits, EV mandates, vehicle emission mandates? Not modelled benefits, but quantifiable, tangible benefits vs cost.

-Most of the alarmism is of the left, who supposedly care so much for the poor. A lasting key to reducing poverty is abundant reliable energy, which makes energy, transportation, and day-to-day life cheaper. So-called renewables are anything but, as Europe has discovered. What’s the alarmist view on the Cobalt mines for the electrification of everything? Of the limited life of solar panels and wind turbines? What’s your solution for abundant, reliable energy to lift people out of poverty instead of punitive measures that create poverty?

-This is the heart of what us “denialists” what answers from1. Tease out anthropogenic causes from natural variability; 2.Is the delta in climate catastrophic compared to prior climate change? 3. It is arrogance to think that climate is static—that there’s a fixed global temperature that should be static and that the “experts” know what it is—and that punitive measures can change global temperatures.

Besides the gross language of “denier”, the anti-human underbelly is what has me the most hot under the collar. How is Mark Holland’s comment not anti-human? You preferred to give a flippant, ad hominem response instead of a real response. Why not show me otherwise instead of bolstering what I increasingly think of AGW alarmists?

It's all good Matterman we won't live long enough to see the destruction of our planet.

[Abby_wx]

-This is the heart of what us “denialists” what answers from1. Tease out anthropogenic causes from natural variability; 2.Is the delta in climate catastrophic compared to prior climate change? 3. It is arrogance to think that climate is static—that there’s a fixed global temperature that should be static and that the “experts” know what it is—and that punitive measures can change global temperatures.

I think those questions have been pretty widely addressed and it's not that hard to find the research. Perhaps you just disagreed with the conclusions?

I think most scientists agree the problem is not so much the amount of change but the rate of change, ie. can we adapt in time. We all know earth has been much hotter at certain times in its history.

[Glacier]

I think those questions have been pretty widely addressed and it's not that hard to find the research. Perhaps you just disagreed with the conclusions?

I think most scientists agree the problem is not so much the amount of change but the rate of change, ie. can we adapt in time. We all know earth has been much hotter at certain times in its history.

I don't actually say any change in rate that correlates with climate change...

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[Glacier]

How Kamloops' climate has changed...

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[Typeing3]

I don't actually say any change in rate that correlates with climate change...

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Do you happen to have the same graph for mean January temp? Or perhaps, mean annual temp?

[Glacier]

Do you happen to have the same graph for mean January temp? Or perhaps, mean annual temp?

Oops, typo... that is the annual graph. January has a much bigger impact than summer months because of more variability in winter.