Climate Change Discussion

[Typeing3]

I feel like David Jones is in some sort of feud with Johanna Wagstaffe. Or is at least taking swipes at her without naming her directly.

But he is right in the sense that a one-time event is not a trend. Almost all warming has taken taken place at night.

Makes sense. She'll typically link every single one of the plethora of significant weather events we get every year to climate change.

[Typeing3]

I wondered what happened to David Jones, I recall him from years ago on global.
Interesting that he is not spouting the party line for climate change causing the heat dome but taking a longer term view of the event.

I d/l the paper he referenced, should be an interesting read (assuming I understand it )

Thanks for mentioning the paper. Here's a link to it for anyone interested:
An anomalous warm-season trans-Pacific atmospheric river linked to the 2021 western North America heatwave
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-022-00459-w


And the short summary that popped up in the video:
Atmospheric River-Heat Dome Interaction: A Case Study of the Extreme Heatwave in Western North America in Summer 2021
https://earthenvironmentcommunity.natur ... ummer-2021

[Typeing3]

https://twitter.com/djones_weather/stat ... 2616495106

Link to the youtube vid attached in the tweet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av1kTlD5ChI

[moonshadow0825]

Link to the youtube vid attached in the tweet:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Av1kTlD5ChI

Thank you for posting the video, I do like that he is measured in his response, and that he is able to interpret the data for the non-specialist.

Too often media take the "get the widow on the set" version of reporting and it's frustrating to listen to as any extremist, headline level reporting tends to obscure deeper issues.

[Glacier]

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[tyweather]

The upper atmosphere is cooling and shrinking with climate change https://e360.yale.edu/features/climate- ... re-cooling

[Glacier]

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[Weather101]

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We all knew this was stupid when she said this.. That doesn't prove climate change isn't real because there's some extremists saying over the top stuff.

If you see a small fire and tell everyone " OH MY GOD I SEEN THE BIGGEST FIRE KNOWN TO MAN" then people arrive and see that was in fact not true, Does that mean there isn't no fire? No.
The fire is still there, and needs to be put out.

[Glacier]

We all knew this was stupid when she said this.. That doesn't prove climate change isn't real because there's some extremists saying over the top stuff.

If you see a small fire and tell everyone " OH MY GOD I SEEN THE BIGGEST FIRE KNOWN TO MAN" then people arrive and see that was in fact not true, Does that mean there isn't no fire? No.
The fire is still there, and needs to be put out.

The only predictions that make the news or spread on social media are the ones that are complete alarmist garbage. Real sensible predictions aren't as sexy.

But you are right, failed predictions that spread like wildfire doesn't mean climate change isn't real!

[tyweather]

This July has been another wake-up call. There have been too many global extremes and extreme events to keep track of this month. It would normally be unthinkable to break a global monthly temperature record by this large of a margin (chart above). This summer will end up hotter than the current climate-change-adjusted global mean, in part because of the emerging El Nino. However, it is a glimpse of an average year in our not-to-distant future, in a continually warming world. The latest unprecedented weather events include 500 mm of rain in 24 hours in Beijing triggering catastrophic flooding; and a wintertime (southern hemisphere) heatwave bringing temperatures in the upper 30s(!) to Chile and Argentina.

[Glacier]

This July has been another wake-up call. There have been too many global extremes and extreme events to keep track of this month. It would normally be unthinkable to break a global monthly temperature record by this large of a margin (chart above). This summer will end up hotter than the current climate-change-adjusted global mean, in part because of the emerging El Nino. However, it is a glimpse of an average year in our not-to-distant future, in a continually warming world. The latest unprecedented weather events include 500 mm of rain in 24 hours in Beijing triggering catastrophic flooding; and a wintertime (southern hemisphere) heatwave bringing temperatures in the upper 30s(!) to Chile and Argentina.

Good explanation for this summer's record heat... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYdvn2pGyOw

[PortKells]

The only predictions that make the news or spread on social media are the ones that are complete alarmist garbage. Real sensible predictions aren't as sexy.

But you are right, failed predictions that spread like wildfire doesn't mean climate change isn't real!

Alarm bells exist for a reason, thus I don't understand the weird "alarmist" tag. If you saw a building on fire would you not call 911? I fail to see what is sexy about any of this. I get no excitement from living in a world that's burning down or washing out, its just a depressing reality that is confronting us.

This summer has been utterly catastrophic and anybody who calls that alarmist just isn't aware of what's going on. The fires are absolutely brutal and on another level from even a few years ago when we thought it was bad. We are seeing acceleration of these trends.

[PortKells]

This July has been another wake-up call. There have been too many global extremes and extreme events to keep track of this month. It would normally be unthinkable to break a global monthly temperature record by this large of a margin (chart above). This summer will end up hotter than the current climate-change-adjusted global mean, in part because of the emerging El Nino. However, it is a glimpse of an average year in our not-to-distant future, in a continually warming world. The latest unprecedented weather events include 500 mm of rain in 24 hours in Beijing triggering catastrophic flooding; and a wintertime (southern hemisphere) heatwave bringing temperatures in the upper 30s(!) to Chile and Argentina.

Jeez man. Upper 30's in winter? That is alarming. Whoops...I used a bad word.

[Weather101]

Alarm bells exist for a reason, thus I don't understand the weird "alarmist" tag. If you saw a building on fire would you not call 911? I fail to see what is sexy about any of this. I get no excitement from living in a world that's burning down or washing out, its just a depressing reality that is confronting us.

This summer has been utterly catastrophic and anybody who calls that alarmist just isn't aware of what's going on. The fires are absolutely brutal and on another level from even a few years ago when we thought it was bad. We are seeing acceleration of these trends.

Hey man stop using logic.

[Glacier]

Alarm bells exist for a reason, thus I don't understand the weird "alarmist" tag. If you saw a building on fire would you not call 911? I fail to see what is sexy about any of this. I get no excitement from living in a world that's burning down or washing out, its just a depressing reality that is confronting us.

This summer has been utterly catastrophic and anybody who calls that alarmist just isn't aware of what's going on. The fires are absolutely brutal and on another level from even a few years ago when we thought it was bad. We are seeing acceleration of these trends.

Alarm bells is a fancy way of saying anecdotal evidence, which is the opposite of science. Climate change from human emissions is real, but I'm tired of my own side making dishonest and alarming statements because it undermines the goal of getting public buy-in. Skeptical people notice when you're lying more than when you're telling the truth.

Weather is NOT climate. A year or even a glut of years is weather, not climate.

There might be some climate change factors at play, but it's FAR more complicated than "oh it's hot out today, so climate change is real" or "oh we had three cold winters in a row so climate change is a myth "


The IPCC has not detected or attributed fire occurrence or area burned to human-caused climate change.

The IPCC is not infallible, so maybe there's something there that will be better picked up by others. Fire activity has so many different contributing factors that climate change is a small portion that's not even detectable as of yet.

This is the worst fire season on record, but 100 years ago this would be a pretty normal season since the central interior would have the forest burn completely every 15 to 20 years. You can do the math on that and see that a year like this would be fairly normal back then. What wasn't normal was the 70s 80s and 90s which were quite wet. And that combined with fire suppression meant three decades with very little fire activity relative to historical norms.

Certainly with climate change there has been more heat, and though it has not been scientifically proven to be a factor yet I am confident that time will show it to be. It makes sense that southern BC is like Washington was a hundred years ago, and Central BC is like Southern BC was 100 years ago. And so on.

I guess I don't like the gaslighting where I must accept that weather is climate. I like to thoroughly go through the evidence on my own instead of accepting statements of faith and not being allowed to question them.

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