December 2020 Forecasts and Discussions

[PortKells]

Just soggy and muddy in these parts. I even had a dream about mud this morning.

North Van is such a letdown for being such a wet and semi mountainous micro climate. Every time it snows and I go over there I wonder how they got so little snow.

[AbbyJr]

There used to be another station in the kamloops area at the mine, about 15km west of the city. Its around 700m in elevation.

Probably a touch cooler than aberdeen but these climate normals (unfortunately its for 1971-2000) should give you a rough estimate of the climate in the hills around the city: https://climate.weather.gc.ca/climate_n ... dispBack=0

Thanks. There is also the Pratt road station that is at 729m in elevation. Its not on the climate normals but it is on the historical data.

Probably not perfectly accurate but like you said, its a rough idea of the climate on the hills around the city.

Apparently they did install new weather stations on some of the higher elevation suburbs in the city but from what I can tell, the data has not been made public. Not sure why.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british- ... 0Snodgrass

[Typeing3]

Thanks. There is also the Pratt road station that is at 729m in elevation. Its not on the climate normals but it is on the historical data.

Probably not perfectly accurate but like you said, its a rough idea of the climate on the hills around the city.

Apparently they did install new weather stations on some of the higher elevation suburbs in the city but from what I can tell, the data has not been made public. Not sure why.

Yeah, a station has to be in operation at least 30 years for climate normals to be published. Unfortunately many dont last too long.

Speaking of which, the new 1990-2020 climate normals should be released soon. I suspect we'll see further decreases in average snowfall/extreme mins and increases in average winter temps.

[Antares]

North Van is such a letdown for being such a wet and semi mountainous micro climate. Every time it snows and I go over there I wonder how they got so little snow.

It must be the mountains but I really have no idea how they would have that effect. It doesn't quite make sense other than perhaps, warm air damming (if that's even a thing) against the mountains and it's hard to cool or move it.

If it's a marginal event to begin with I'm always like when it inevitably doesn't pan out.

Sechelt also is a very bad area for snow and cold temps. They have insanely warm nights all year.

[Hound]

I wish I could find the yearly average rain and snowfall for the Aberdeen area of Kamloops. The only one on Environment Canada's climate normals is taken from the airport at the lowest elevation. From my understanding, Aberdeen gets a lot more precipitation given it peaks over 800 m in elevation.

My aunt used to live in Aberdeen. Weather was VERY different from down in the city and especially the airport. There should be 2 official stations in Kamloops. Then again, Canada's weather monitoring in general is garbage.

[AbbyJr]

My aunt used to live in Aberdeen. Weather was VERY different from down in the city and especially the airport. There should be 2 official stations in Kamloops. Then again, Canada's weather monitoring in general is garbage.

Yeah I have a friend who lives in Aberdeen and she said Kamloops is the strangest place she's ever lived for microclimates in terms of snow.
She says they always have way more snow then the lower elevations despite being only 10 minutes up the hill.

She also said its cooler by a few degrees in the summer up in Aberdeen versus the lower elevations of the city.

I agree. Environment Canada should have more public weather stations available, especially in city with such major microclimates.

[PortKells]

It must be the mountains but I really have no idea how they would have that effect. It doesn't quite make sense other than perhaps, warm air damming (if that's even a thing) against the mountains and it's hard to cool or move it.

If it's a marginal event to begin with I'm always like when it inevitably doesn't pan out.

Sechelt also is a very bad area for snow and cold temps. They have insanely warm nights all year.

Funny you say that because I was in gibsons on dec 10 2016 and it was absolute chaos, must've been 20 cm at the ferry terminal. But yeah I heard a guy on the bus mention that sechelt was completely bare.

[Roberts Creeker]

Funny you say that because I was in gibsons on dec 10 2016 and it was absolute chaos, must've been 20 cm at the ferry terminal. But yeah I heard a guy on the bus mention that sechelt was completely bare.

It used to be if anywhere on the coast got snow it was Langdale (ferry terminal) and out towards Port Mellon. This last snow fall I got snow in Roberts Creek but the didn't get any.

It's interesting on the lower Sunshine Coast because we have so many micro climates. Just north of Sechelt is a tropical belt, they had dahlias still blooming when mine were dead by frost for a couple of weeks, and their fig trees were huge and thriving, mine often die back in the winter.

[Rubus_Leucodermis]

It's interesting on the lower Sunshine Coast because we have so many micro climates. Just north of Sechelt is a tropical belt, they had dahlias still blooming when mine were dead by frost for a couple of weeks, and their fig trees were huge and thriving, mine often die back in the winter.

Bellingham has all sorts of crazy microclimates, too. It was really surreal when last year’s arctic blast ended: for most of a day, the retreating arctic front stalled inside the Bellingham city limits. There was almost 20 degrees Fahrenheit difference from one end of town to another!

[John]

It used to be if anywhere on the coast got snow it was Langdale (ferry terminal) and out towards Port Mellon. This last snow fall I got snow in Roberts Creek but the didn't get any.

It's interesting on the lower Sunshine Coast because we have so many micro climates. Just north of Sechelt is a tropical belt, they had dahlias still blooming when mine were dead by frost for a couple of weeks, and their fig trees were huge and thriving, mine often die back in the winter.

Outflow winds?

[John]

Bellingham has all sorts of crazy microclimates, too. It was really surreal when last year’s arctic blast ended: for most of a day, the retreating arctic front stalled inside the Bellingham city limits. There was almost 20 degrees Fahrenheit difference from one end of town to another!

That’s so neat rubus leucodermis!

[SouthSardiswx]

I still love you John. Merry egg grog's. Just not tonight.

[SouthSardiswx]

Outflow winds?

That makes sense with some those inlets over there.

[Monty]

SSW looks to be on track...delivering cold to the midwest and Eastern Canada/US. Ridge bridge may lock it in.



...This is a textbook +ENSO. A strong +ENSO signal. That Greenland block is not budging or going anywhere.

Ah yes. Similar to the last ridge bridge that didn’t happen.

[John]

Ah yes. Similar to the last ridge bridge that didn’t happen.

Wetcoast aka nito91 is so full of it it’s unreal he used to actually be a useful member of the forum but now loves to bs everyone