Winter 2020-2021

[Weather101]

212.9cm that winter at the old New West station. Mostly falling between late December and early February. January had an average high of -1.4c and a mean temp of -4.3c.

Will never happen again unfortunately

[AbbyJr]

Will never happen again unfortunately

Never say never.

[Typeing3]

With data back to 1865, there have only ever been five moderate/strong La Nina winters to follow two warm neutral/El Nino winters.

1886-87
1889-90
1942-43
1970-71
1988-89

[Antares]

Never say never.

If it happened before, it can happen again.

I'd love to see something like January 1950 again, not necessarily the observations, but just to see that regime in the upper atmosphere would be awesome. Of course that would lead to some awesome weather but you know what I mean.

[Antares]

With data back to 1865, there have only ever been five moderate/strong La Nina winters to follow two warm neutral/El Nino winters.

1886-87
1889-90
1942-43
1970-71
1988-89

Impressively short list!

[Weather101]

Never say never.

Never dude lol climate isn't the same it's just the truth. When I was younger I would have blind faith but as a kid it's different then being a adult growing up and learning climate change etc. We are in a different time and it isn't as good as we already by a big body of water.

[Weather101]

If it happened before, it can happen again.

I'd love to see something like January 1950 again, not necessarily the observations, but just to see that regime in the upper atmosphere would be awesome. Of course that would lead to some awesome weather but you know what I mean.

I disagree, just because it happened once doesn't mean it can happen again in a situation like this. Climate change has really effected us. We rarely see true arctic blasts compared too 50s 60s 70s etc. It's usually always modified arctic air seeping through. 215 cm at New Westminster station? I don't see that happening.

[AbbyJr]

I disagree, just because it happened once doesn't mean it can happen again in a situation like this. Climate change has really effected us. We rarely see true arctic blasts compared too 50s 60s 70s etc. It's usually always modified arctic air seeping through. 215 cm at New Westminster station? I don't see that happening.

The climate goes in cycles. It always has. No reason to think we can't get back to similar patterns as experienced in.the 50's and 60's. This whole climate change hype is pure non sense. Of course the climate changes. It always changes. Its nature. There is no doubt it's getting warmer but it's got warmer in the past then cold again. This is what the climate does.

[AbbyJr]

If it happened before, it can happen again.

I'd love to see something like January 1950 again, not necessarily the observations, but just to see that regime in the upper atmosphere would be awesome. Of course that would lead to some awesome weather but you know what I mean.

Exactly. To suggest it will never happen again is a rather strange claim, because its essentially saying man knows the future. To think that we as humans are capable of knowing that the climate will never go back into a cold cycle is honestly ridiculously silly. Not to mention the climate goes in cycles. This is nothing new. The earth has had cold cycles and warm cycles. The problem is that the media keeps pushing this ridiculous man made climate change non sense and brainwashing those who believe everything they say. There are many scientists that don't agree with the media's climate change hype. Why not consider what they have to say? Its all one sided as if its settled science when in fact its not. Climate is far more complex than man's minor contribution.

[Typeing3]

The climate goes in cycles. It always has. No reason to think we can't get back to similar patterns as experienced in.the 50's and 60's. This whole climate change hype is pure non sense. Of course the climate changes. It always changes. Its nature. There is no doubt it's getting warmer but it's got warmer in the past then cold again. This is what the climate does.

I think you may have misunderstood what W101 was trying to say Jr. Climate cycles occur across long periods of time and he was trying to point out how - generally - snowfall and cold anomalies (relative to our old averages) have and continue to decrease during the period of record.

I have no idea what the climate was like here in 500AD but from what we've observed over the past ~150 years (about how far back "reliable" observations go) at a local level, it's pretty obvious annual snowfall has decreased while winter average temps have simultaneously increased.

In a climate where just a few degrees is the difference between rain and snow during winter, it's pretty apparent that winters (on average) have warmed during the course of our short lifetimes. So when W101 said we don't get as much snow/cold as we got in 50s or 60s, I'd have to agree...Vancouver has gone from averaging ~70cm if snow annually at the turn of the 20th century to averaging ~35cm today.

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Of course if we go way further back (thousands or millions of years), the climate's gone through periods when averages were a lot warmer than present. And undoubtedly in the future we'll go through cooler cycles again. But I don't think that's what he was getting at...more so that our climate has warmed over our local period of record. Which is true.

[Typeing3]

Impressively short list!

A blend of those winters would sure be nice.

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[Antares]

[AbbyJr]

I think you may have misunderstood what W101 was trying to say Jr. Climate cycles occur across long periods of time and he was trying to point out how - generally - snowfall and cold anomalies (relative to our old averages) have and continue to decrease during the period of record.

I have no idea what the climate was like here in 500AD but from what we've observed over the past ~150 years (about how far back "reliable" observations go) at a local level, it's pretty obvious annual snowfall has decreased while winter average temps have simultaneously increased.

In a climate where just a few degrees is the difference between rain and snow during winter, it's pretty apparent that winters (on average) have warmed during the course of our short lifetimes. So when W101 said we don't get as much snow/cold as we got in 50s or 60s, I'd have to agree...Vancouver has gone from averaging ~70cm if snow annually at the turn of the 20th century to averaging ~35cm today.
Vancouver Snowfall.PNG

Of course if we go way further back (thousands or millions of years), the climate's gone through periods when averages were a lot warmer than present. And undoubtedly in the future we'll go through cooler cycles again. But I don't think that's what he was getting at...more so that our climate has warmed over our local period of record. Which is true.

Fair enough. I stand corrected and apologize for the misunderstanding.

[PortKells]

Exactly. To suggest it will never happen again is a rather strange claim, because its essentially saying man knows the future. To think that we as humans are capable of knowing that the climate will never go back into a cold cycle is honestly ridiculously silly. Not to mention the climate goes in cycles. This is nothing new. The earth has had cold cycles and warm cycles. The problem is that the media keeps pushing this ridiculous man made climate change non sense and brainwashing those who believe everything they say. There are many scientists that don't agree with the media's climate change hype. Why not consider what they have to say? Its all one sided as if its settled science when in fact its not. Climate is far more complex than man's minor contribution.

Why do you assume we listen to the "media" about this? Tbh I find that a little insulting. I believe the science. Besides, the corporate media is largely silent on climate change. Publications like the globe and mail and national post generally oppose climate action. The most popular TV news channel in the world does not accept climate science. Perhaps you should be the one questioning your sources more. Elites and corporations want nothing to do with man made climate change as it requires them to take responsibility.

Also, im still waiting ro hear from these supposed dissenting voices in the climate science community. For me to accept this wild conspiracy cover up, im going to have to see the scientific evidence like man made climate change has generated.

[Monty]

212.9cm that winter at the old New West station. Mostly falling between late December and early February. January had an average high of -1.4c and a mean temp of -4.3c.

Just my opinion. But I think those crazy snow totals are probably an attainable mark even given today’s climate. The persistent top tier cold waves we used to see 50 plus years ago are probably more of a challenge to attain.