August 2023 Forecasts and Discussions

[PortKells]

I agree but one point of contention is that some records suggests ponderosa pine's being more vast in the impacted areas. Core samples out that way do suggest more extensive root structures under a lot of grasslands.

There's a reason why permanent homes and structures were never built in the hills. I'm shocked at the amount of sprawl going up the hills in the Okanagan and why this is being permitted.

Putting climate change aside, if there was a solution you might've nailed it. Zero homes up on the hills, build medium density throughout existing cities (with no exceptions for rich neighbourhoods) and screw everyone's need for a view and a 10,000 sq ft property. And that is coming from someone who grew up in a house kind of like that. I'd rather live in a medium sized appartment and be able to look at the hillside then the other way around.

However these kinds of solutions will never be looked at because economic freedom is far too important to give up even in the face of increasingly violent natural disasters.

[PortKells]

Local air quality beginning to deteriorate.

N95 time.

[Bonovox]

N95 time.

Yeah, we got outside with the kiddos earlier, but probably spending the rest of the weekend indoors.

[Typeing3]

Local air quality beginning to deteriorate.

Surface level isn't too bad yet, but I've seen the thick smoke layer gradually descending down Burke mountain all day. Looks to begin around 300-400m as of present.

[Typeing3]

I agree but one point of contention is that some records suggests ponderosa pine's being more vast in the impacted areas. Core samples out that way do suggest more extensive root structures under a lot of grasslands.

There's a reason why permanent homes and structures were never built in the hills. I'm shocked at the amount of sprawl going up the hills in the Okanagan and why this is being permitted.

Interesting. I was under the impression that the mid elevation locations on the hills were traditionally been covered with Ponderosa pine forest but not the valley bottom locales. They're a lot more fire resistant and prone compared with the lodgepole pine found at higher elevations (though increasingly seem to be encroaching down the hills which doesn't mix well with rapid development in these areas) despite the fact that fire also helps them to regenerate.

Completely agree with the second part. Add in all the development in these regions and it's a catastrophe waiting to happen.

[wetcoast91]

Interesting. I was under the impression that the mid elevation locations on the hills were traditionally been covered with Ponderosa pine forest but not the valley bottom locales. They're a lot more fire resistant and prone compared with the lodgepole pine found at higher elevations (though increasingly seem to be encroaching down the hills which doesn't mix well with rapid development in these areas) despite the fact that fire also helps them to regenerate.

Completely agree with the second part. Add in all the development in these regions and it's a catastrophe waiting to happen.

I thought much of the low level lands were primarly old lake deposits and silty soils. I ended up hitting preserved root structures some 2 meters below a vineyard near Osoyoos.

Old photos (mostly from the 40s) do show a little more tree coverage. There is little documented information but it is said that there was a significant loss in forests in the late 1800s with increased mining activity and railroad activity.

[PortKells]

Well on the one hand this looks terrible but on the other hand there’s a bunch of different members showing significant rainfall afterwards.

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[stuffradio]

Different models are showing periods of a bit of rain. Hopefully the trend continues and we slowly dampen the soil.

[Typeing3]

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[John]

Smoke actually seems to be dissipating a bit. A pleasant surprise

[Bonovox]

Smoke actually seems to be dissipating a bit. A pleasant surprise

It won’t for long. More moving in this evening.

[John]

Tree roots keep the soil and rock in place. Remove the trees and you speed up erosion and get massive land and rock slides.

There is no silver bullet solution.

What if we pour concrete on this clearing or pave it that should prevent mudslides?!

[John]

It won’t for long. More moving in this evening.

[SouthSardiswx]

What if we pour concrete on this clearing or pave it that should prevent mudslides?!

O.k.

[wetcoast91]

What if we pour concrete on this clearing or pave it that should prevent mudslides?!

We should just nuke all the mountains and turn the landscape flat.

1) No more mud or rock slides
2) No more forests and forest fires
3) More land to develop on and straighter roads
4) Colder and faster outflows for the Coast