August 2023 Forecasts and Discussions

[PortKells]

Personal responsibility is important also no?

Lol what kind of vague suggestion is that. 600 people died in 2021, im guessing none of them had AC. Are you suggesting it was all of their own fault?

Or are you suggesting landlords be decent people? That ship has sailed. Not that they’re all bad but I’m this type of situation they need to be all good, which is not even close to happening. I’ve had plenty of landlords and maybe 2 of them actually saw their tenants as people and not as monthly atms.

[Glacier]

It's that time of year again. 0 degrees yesterday morning at Clinton (airport which is on the plateau at 1300m north of the village)

[John]

Lol what kind of vague suggestion is that. 600 people died in 2021, im guessing none of them had AC. Are you suggesting it was all of their own fault?

Or are you suggesting landlords be decent people? That ship has sailed. Not that they’re all bad but I’m this type of situation they need to be all good, which is not even close to happening. I’ve had plenty of landlords and maybe 2 of them actually saw their tenants as people and not as monthly atms.

Question I have, what if one owns his/her own home but can’t afford air conditioning who is responsible for that?
If it a basic human right should the government provide it like healthcare

[PortKells]

Question I have, what if one owns his/her own home but can’t afford air conditioning who is responsible for that?
If it a basic human right should the government provide it like healthcare

It seems you completely missed what we were talking about.

[AbbyJr]

Question I have, what if one owns his/her own home but can’t afford air conditioning who is responsible for that?
If it a basic human right should the government provide it like healthcare

That's another debate. Personally, I don't think it's the governments responsibility to provide people who own their own homes with A/C units. However, adding mandatory A/C to the building code would be a possible option in adapting to a warmer climate.

That said, the original question was whether or not the government should make it law that landlords and strata's can not ban A/C units. The issue I initially raised was that of individuals who want to purchase their own A/C but are unable to do so due to townhome/apartment restrictions.

My argument is that since A/C units are life saving for many, landlords and strata's should not be allowed to restrict their use. Of course, ideally people should just be considerate humans and think about each other. But unfortunately, there are some petty people out there that don't seem to care if their neighbour is suffering from the heat. All they think about is themselves and all the reasons they dislike A/C units.

So my complaint is about people not being allowed to run their own A/C unit they purchased, not who is obligated to purchase it.

[John]

That's another debate. Personally, I don't think it's the governments responsibility to provide people who own their own homes with A/C units. However, adding mandatory A/C to the building code would be a possible option in adapting to a warmer climate.

That said, the original question was whether or not the government should make it law that landlords and strata's can not ban A/C units. The issue I initially raised was that of individuals who want to purchase their own A/C but are unable to do so due to townhome/apartment restrictions.

My argument is that since A/C units are life saving for many, landlords and strata's should not be allowed to restrict their use. Of course, ideally people should just be considerate humans and think about each other. But unfortunately, there are some petty people out there that don't seem to care if their neighbour is suffering from the heat. All they think about is themselves and all the reasons they dislike A/C units.

So my complaint is about people not being allowed to run their own A/C unit they purchased, not who is obligated to purchase it.

The reason they’re not allowed is often because the building can’t sustain ac with out getting upgraded which cost money

a renter doesn’t have to rent they can buy their own unit or they can rent a different unit with air conditioning.

You kind of get what you pay for I guess cruel? maybe, but reality.

Btw I own my house but don’t have ac. I can’t afford the upgrade.

[AbbyJr]

The reason they’re not allowed is often because the building can’t sustain ac with out getting upgraded which cost money

a renter doesn’t have to rent they can buy their own unit or they can rent a different unit with air conditioning.

You kind of get what you pay for I guess cruel? maybe, but reality.

Btw I own my house but don’t have ac. I can’t afford the upgrade.

I'd be very surprised if there was a building that could not handle a window or portable A/C unit. Some buildings may designed in a way that a window one would not work, but you can most likely find a way to install a portable in most places. If the concern is power draw, that shouldn't be an issue for most. For example, our electrical panel is old and should be replaced. Yet it it still runs my 8000 BTU portable A/C just fine. If we were to get central A/C we would likely have to upgrade our panel since they require a lot more power. However, most people should not have any problems running a window or portable unit.

Now if there was a technical or another legitimate reason why a building could not handle any A/C unit at all, then that's another matter but it still should be addressed. However, my concern was about landlords and strata's banning A/C units for petty reasons.

[John]

I'd be very surprised if there was a building that could not handle a window or portable A/C unit. Some buildings may designed in a way that a window one would not work, but you can most likely find a way to install a portable in most places. If the concern is power draw, our electrical panel is old and should be replaced. Yet it it still runs my 8000 BTU portable A/C just fine. If we were to get central A/C we would likely have to upgrade our panel since they require a lot more power. However, window and portable units should work fine for most.

Now if there were a technical or another legitimate reason why a building could not handle any A/C unit at all, then that's another matter should be addressed. But my concern was about landlords and strata's banning A/C units for petty reasons.

If it’s petty reasons it’s obviously ridiculous I agree,
but I think it’s mostly a technical reason. Ac take a ridiculous amount of power even a window unit.
We should use them as little as possible if we want a green environment.

[John]

Yes John but what about the shut in's that can't get out and they don't have family to turn to is it not the provinces responsibility then.?
Should there not be a provincial hotline for the vulnerable to call if they need help during a heat warming?

The hotline makes sense yes

[John]

Have you ever heard of simple human compassion? I'm sure if it was your son or daughter in a condo sweating and can barely survive, you would care, correct?

How can you defend any landlord not allowing AC in a climate that needs AC? It's very easy for you to sit back and say that in a comfortable living situation. Also if a landlord says no then that's not what personal responsibility means.

For every 5 good posts you make, you end up throwing out a really disgusting post with zero human empathy. Nothing personal, but I don't get it.

Thanks for at least liking some of my posts

I just think it’s a little simple to assume that everybody gets AC instantly after we’ve had one terrible heat dome, which caused a lot of deaths sadly

The reason why these people died is exactly because of little empathy in society.
People aren’t looking out for each other anymore.
If you expect government to take care
Of everyone perfectly I hate to tell you that will never happen.

[John]

Anyways, it’s been a great discussion, but let’s get back to the weather. How is the heat wave looking in the models?

[AbbyJr]

Anyways, it’s been a great discussion, but let’s get back to the weather. How is the heat wave looking in the models?

Thankfully, the models are backing off on the intensity today. Although I don't think we are out of the woods yet.

From what I understand, it's a complex pattern developing with tropical energy potentially getting into the jet stream. Depending on how things evolve, this could result in an unusually strong ridge of high pressure over BC. If I'm not mistaken, this is what happened in June 2021 when a tropical storm out in the Pacific set off a series of unusually strong waves that pumped up the strongest ridge ever record in BC. The models will most likely struggle in this type of setup similar to how they struggle in the winter during a Sudden Stratospheric Warming event.

While I still think a June 2021 repeat is unlikely, there is still potential for an unusually intense heatwave.

[PortKells]

Maybe a false alarm?

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[AbbyJr]

Maybe a false alarm?

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One can hope but it's still way too soon to tell. This will likely be a complex pattern for the models to figure out. It will be interesting to see what tonights Euro runs show. Next week we should have a much better idea on the forecast for this potential heatwave.

[Glacier]

We don't need air conditioning in BC. Even here in the Okanagan Valley it's not that bad. That said, I do have an AC unit in my upstairs bedroom. Main floor isn't bad.

But if you live on Ontario, Quebec, or even Manitoba, summers are hotter than the Okanagan when you factor in the humidity, so you do need air conditioning.

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